Crashing and a polite request

[Dzynna]

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[HR-Mickey]

My recent suggestion would be to give mining some randomized fumble/don't find/failure (or trample, as it were, an empty vein) aspect to make it more like foraging. Like vyeftium, except for everything. At the very least, it would apply the brakes to those higher-end potions with a single forageable component in its mixture, which is what makes those potions so enticing.
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Mickey Brunner

To make a long story short, don't tell it.

I may be going nowhere, but I'm going nowhere fast.
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Kaelin Rae looks at you and sighs.

[Dzynna]

[Morgana]

The crucible thing has really slowed me down.

I make potions in sets of 12. I then hold onto them until they max out. Many times by the time the do lately I've anywhere from 12 to 48. I'm not going to hold back and just sell one or two.
I'm trying to raise money like everyone else. I don't have my luxury home yet. And waiting around to sell one or two will not get me the home anytime soon.

I've just over a million in my bank account so I don't feel like I'm a cash hog either. The slow recovery is actually making me have a ton more potions to sell when they finally do max out from holding onto them.
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[Dzynna]

[Morgana]

Dzynna wrote:

[Dzynna]

[Morgana]

I do understand you wanting to sell one or two, but when four of you sell one or two it drops the price and I have to wait to sell mine. While I'm waiting, I then pick another potion, gather it's ingrediants, and try to catch the market with. And then that is lowered. So then I'm waiting on that too.. then I go back to the top of the list and work my way back down with the potions I can make. I'm not going to sit around doing nothing while the market is recovering. I'm going to make potions till I get lucky and able to sell one at the highest price. I go between 10 different potions so that maybe I can hit the market with one or two, now and then. So please don't tell me I don't care. I'm trying to make money for a house too, this is what the current market is forcing us to do.
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[Tugor]

1. The potions recover too slowly on the ticker.

2. There's only one place to sell potions and everyone sells their potions there.

3. Lots of people makes potions as their primary source of income.

4. Selling 5 potions, which could be like 400 units will drop it considerably.

5. People often have their secondary characters camping the ticker or if they have a Bureaucrat they can check it with ease via their organizer. They then work to make whatever potions are the highest thus keeping almost all of them relatively low because of reason 1.

6. Even if everyone in HR followed your request, the potions would still drop because they just don't recover fast enough.

I suggested having different commod outposts and I still stand by that idea mainly because of this.

I don't make potions but I can understand the frustration for all who do at this time. People work to make a few potions then go to sell them only to discover that someone lowered the price on them. What options do they have then? a) Wait for the price to go back up and lower it again while making even more different kinds of potions to sell. b)Cut their losses and sell right then, thus lowering the price even more. It's a never ending circle because the potions recover too slowly heh. This could easily be remedied by making a few, out of the way commod outposts.
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[Dzynna]

Here goes bluntness.

1. I'm well aware of exactly how slowly they recover. I didn't sit around thinking, "Well, the market is fine, the low prices must be all attributable to someone being a selfish bastard." I agree the market recovers slowly, but I also know certain people focus solely on 'easy' potions (2 metals + 1 forageable) and keep those almost perma-crashed because they don't want to 'diversify more'. Which is so not cool to anyone trying to sell potions at decent rates without crashing the market.

2. I'm well aware of this too, and I still think having multiple locations to sell isn't necessary with as small of the world as we see AND as small as the population is.

3. Actually, a lot of people have grown as frustrated as I have, and like me, have been doing other things. I've been fishing for three days because I -don't want- to make more potions and have to sit on them again. Doesn't pay well but damn it is relaxing.

However, unlike me, most of these people aren't vocal. I'm outspoken, blunt, and don't beat around the bush when I feel something needs to be said. Such is life.

4. I'm so well aware of how much damage to the ticker is done by selling 1, 2, 5, 10, and 20 potions that I should have it stapled to my shirt. If you think, for one moment, that this entire thing has been about someone selling 5 potions, you are insane.

5. I've had other characters camp out and watch other people trash the market. Not watch the ticker. So I know who is doing what. And (for Morgana) claiming to sell 12 (or even 20) of one kind is utter hokey, based on what I've seen the market do while you were selling your stuff. You know it. I know it. I'm sure anyone else who has sold potions knows it.

6. You're incorrect.

I have said my piece here. I've even had some people tell me they are grateful I said something. Most of those didn't even post here (like I said, I'm vocal where a lot aren't).

I've asked nicely and put it bluntly how much it screws everyone over. Now I'm done asking nicely - frankly I'm done with the conversation. I think I've said all that needs to be said. It's up to the rest of you to decide if you want to continue to be a dick or not.
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Dzynna Zol
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The Retreat
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[Tugor]

[Morgana]

Since the market change I've been making the ten top selling potions, Making them 12 at a time. Do NOT call me a liar. I sell the potion as it maxes out. I don't sell all 10 types of potions at once. I sell ONE potion as it maxes. Most times like tonight, I sold 12 clashing, 12 iron, 20 stability, 4 rifts and 1 dissipation, maybe a wealth. That's not flooding the market with one type. That's making a bunch of potions and praying to catch the market on the right cycle.

This is not a socialist market it is a capitalist market and one does their best to catch the high end commodities, and sell high.
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[Tugor]

[Dzynna]