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HR-Trevor
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:42 am    Post subject:
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This really is a sort of no-win debate, because it comes down to what you prefer. Many arguments for techs to have this, or not have that. It really comes down to what we, the game designers, decide to do with it.

I would note our primary goal here as making sure that both techs and agents have many unique (and thereby exclusive) abilities that make use of technology.
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:32 am    Post subject:
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I would note our primary goal here as making sure that both techs and agents have many unique (and thereby exclusive) abilities that make use of technology.



Quite true...but a lot of people are arguing against things I don't think were suggested or brought up.

Techs are both masters of hardware and software...we'd have to be concidering our skill set and what techs do (building comms, hacking droids, fixing computer software, rewiring cybergear). Nothing was ever said about car bombs or the like. Nothing was suggested about physically breaking into anything with high tech gear. The point of the post was a proposal for techs to get jacks (something I vaguely remember one of the staff talking about when I first got here), slip into system software and to benefit via skill boosts.

^.^; People tend to focus on things that don't make sense...

I'm thinking of hacking in terms of things like Shadowrun and the movie Hackers.... Not in making bombs...though making smart bombs would be amusing.

Anyhow, hacking also refers to people that dismantle and rebuild machines. Hack shops are another name for custom car or bike (which usually uses chop shop) garages.
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject:
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i never actually heard of techs being good at programming, actually. i always hear about n othing but hardware stuff.
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject:
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i never actually heard of techs being good at programming, actually. i always hear about n othing but hardware stuff.


We hack droid programming. We fix programming codes in organizers.
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:16 am    Post subject:
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i never actually heard of techs being good at programming, actually. i always hear about n othing but hardware stuff.


We hack droid programming.


what's the actual messaging? do you hack away at the software or the hardware? (that i actually don't know).

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e fix programming codes in organizers.


doesn't that just involve running a virus check program or something? i remember seeing the repair messaging and it just being you putting in a disk and letting a program run.
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject:
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You put in a disk and manually type in commands to delete lines of virus and repair the original code. You're actually in the programming fixing it. It's not just running a program. And you hack a droid's capablities. You go into the software and make it able to produce better results. Techs just don't do hardware repairs, but work on software for that hardware as well. We're not just grease monkey mechanics. We're inventors. We're programmers, we're engineers...

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You are Programmer Kit Murphy, a Human Technician.



Just in our titles, you can tell we work with programs..
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject:
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Those are some fluke instances when it comes to Techs. Overall, we work with the hardware, not the software.

That's just my take, anyway.
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Those are some fluke instances when it comes to Techs. Overall, we work with the hardware, not the software.

That's just my take, anyway.


I don't think it's so much a fluke. Enverdi can be a repair guy. My idea of Kit is more a technical mad scientist crossed with Chief O'Brien (weapons specialist, programming genius, hardware inventor)...programing and building things like droids more than repairs....which is why I don't have him repair anything.


Edit: I should ALSO say that ANY profession should have several choices on the way a person can persue career goals. I wouldn't like being a tech if I didn't have choices in what I could do. That's why I think there should be two routes to take for technicians...or rather...three.

1. Hardware techs.
2. Software techs.
3. Both...not excelling in either field, but rounded in both. This would be what I would chose.
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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject:
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Just in our titles, you can tell we work with programs..


Note that there's no "Hacker" title. I've been programming for eleven years in at least five different languages, and I don't know the first thing about hacking.
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Kit wrote:
Just in our titles, you can tell we work with programs..


Note that there's no "Hacker" title. I've been programming for eleven years in at least five different languages, and I don't know the first thing about hacking.


Doesn't mean you couldn't try! ^.^ My example was for Enverdi, showing him that working with software is not a fluke for techs. Besides, I've done some hacking and can only do basic c++ programing. Granting, I was hacking into my own computer when I fried it...but still.
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doesn't that just involve running a virus check program or something? i remember seeing the repair messaging and it just being you putting in a disk and letting a program run.


Running a program that we wrote, to change/repair/destroy/erase/restore.
We should have the option to be whatever technician we choose. I am a computer Technican. I know both my hardware, and software.. and any other things I have taken the time to look into.. I have not bothered with hacking or cracking in about 3 years, but it was all pretty easy to get into after learning programing.. with practice that is. sure, I've made mistakes, and fried a computer or two..

james bond never hacked into a program from the souce, or through code by the way.. he always had the password.. or had a tech program that guessed at the password for him. for who ever made that arguement.
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Besides, I've done some hacking and can only do basic c++ programing. Granting, I was hacking into my own computer when I fried it...but still.


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it was all pretty easy to get into after learning programing.. with practice that is. sure, I've made mistakes, and fried a computer or two..


And therein lies the rub. Tweaking your PC, generating serial numbers for art programs, getting some dumb sucker to download a worm, and theoretically overclocking your droid to compute numbers faster is one thing; it's another thing entirely to infiltrate a top-government computer system protected by multiple layers of countermeasures and firewalls to retrieve a triple-encrypted list of protected witnesses and their bank account passwords.

Additionally, "programming" isn't specifically defined as "code a program that does whatever I want it to with a computer". Making a droid respond in a specific way to a certain listset of verbal queries is also 'programming'... the latter of which sounds a lot closer to the Technician description on the professions page:

Code:
Technicians specialize in the use and creation of technology and are always aware of the newest devices and how they work. They are inventors and creators.


Compare that to Agents:

Code:
They typically are well-versed in skills involving stealth and in dealing with security systems.

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I did not say getting a sucker to download something. I was lucky to not get caught, and when a couple buddies did, I droped that skill.

I think I put both hacking, and cracking as different things..
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james bond never hacked into a program from the souce, or through code by the way.. he always had the password.. or had a tech program that guessed at the password for him. for who ever made that arguement.


uh, way to prove my point. the agents are making the programs, they're using them. the techs don't use the programs, they make them.

if we learned anything with the way some artisan things work in relation to trackers, the GMs want people working together. i'm pretty sure GMs COULD let agents do all the breaking/entering and agents do all the hacking/stealing, but i also think they would RATHER have an agent break in and use the tools a tech gave him or her.
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Apatheticloser wrote:
james bond never hacked into a program from the souce, or through code by the way.. he always had the password.. or had a tech program that guessed at the password for him. for who ever made that arguement.


uh, way to prove my point. the agents are making the programs, they're using them. the techs don't use the programs, they make them.

if we learned anything with the way some artisan things work in relation to trackers, the GMs want people working together. i'm pretty sure GMs COULD let agents do all the breaking/entering and agents do all the hacking/stealing, but i also think they would RATHER have an agent break in and use the tools a tech gave him or her.



Yaru. Hacking, as I described, is through cyberspace. Not breaking into homes. PLEASE read threads before you comment. I never said anything about breaking and entering...except computer software...through other computer software. Your points are meaningless because this post is not about that.
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