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 Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Psionic Overhaul
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Will psionic powers be getting any kind of overhaul in the near future? First tier spells are insanely powerfull compared to the more complex, and more powerful spells.
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there are more advanced psionic spells available?
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 Post Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:48 am    Post subject:
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there are more advanced psionic spells available?


Ethereal Lance(advanced Piercing Stare)

Spirit Cleave(advanced Spirit Slash)

Pyrokinesis(advanced Spontaneous Combustion)

Telekinetic Swarm(advanced Telekinetic Strike)

All are Psionic-only.

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yeah but i figured there were some others available, i meant. as far as i saw the higher ones were working better.
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Which powers are you describing as "insanely powerful"? I know paralyze is one that needs serious rebalancing.
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I know paralyze is one that needs serious rebalancing.


Amen, that is all.
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Which powers are you describing as "insanely powerful"? I know paralyze is one that needs serious rebalancing.


Piercing stare and psychic hammer both seem to be too powerful for their cost. And this is in reference to Player vs Player, not vs NPC's. I don't think a psionic of equal or lesser general level should be able to kill Tshar with ease using 2 of those spells.

And yes, paralyze is still way too powerful hehe. I think that's something everyone could agree upon aside from the psionics.
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HR-Trevor wrote:
Which powers are you describing as "insanely powerful"? I know paralyze is one that needs serious rebalancing.


Piercing stare and psychic hammer both seem to be too powerful for their cost. And this is in reference to Player vs Player, not vs NPC's. I don't think a psionic of equal or lesser general level should be able to kill Tshar with ease using 2 of those spells.

And yes, paralyze is still way too powerful hehe. I think that's something everyone could agree upon aside from the psionics.


were you paralized at the time? i know glim can beat the snot out of me with PS, PH, but normally that's because i can't move a muscle.
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Tugor wrote:
HR-Trevor wrote:
Which powers are you describing as "insanely powerful"? I know paralyze is one that needs serious rebalancing.


Piercing stare and psychic hammer both seem to be too powerful for their cost. And this is in reference to Player vs Player, not vs NPC's. I don't think a psionic of equal or lesser general level should be able to kill Tshar with ease using 2 of those spells.

And yes, paralyze is still way too powerful hehe. I think that's something everyone could agree upon aside from the psionics.


were you paralized at the time? i know glim can beat the snot out of me with PS, PH, but normally that's because i can't move a muscle.


Even without being paralyzed it seems like those powers cannot be evaded, yet NPC's can evade them just fine.
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Even without being paralyzed it seems like those powers cannot be evaded, yet NPC's can evade them just fine.


i've evaded Glim's stuff (and Mellie's sometimes too, even), yet the NPCs rarely dodge me.
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Let me show you this first.



Code:
You say, "Ok start with piercing stare."
>
Glim Faethyn closes his eyes and seems to be concentrating on something intently.
>
Glim Faethyn stares intently at you.
>
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you parry just in time!
Deadly skewers drive at you and run through you as you fail to parry!
You are dazed by the effects of Glim Faethyn's attack!
Deadly skewers drive at you and run through you as you fail to parry!
Deadly skewers drive at you and run through you as you fail to parry!
You shake off the stun.
>
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you parry just in time!
Deadly skewers drive at you and run through you as you fail to parry!
You are dazed by the effects of Glim Faethyn's attack!
You feel much better.
Deadly skewers drive at you and run through you as you fail to parry!
>
Deadly skewers drive at you and run through you as you fail to parry!
The skewers near you suddenly dive toward the ground and disappear.
>
You shake off the stun.
>hea
 
You have a bruised abdomen and a bruised left arm.
You are in great shape and well rested.
Your inner focus is at full strength.
 
Your piercings include:  tongue (1), lip (1), privates (1), ear (1), eyebrow (1).
 
>'ok try psychic hammer
You say, "Ok try psychic hammer."
>
Glim Faethyn closes his eyes and seems to be concentrating on something intently.
Your abdomen wounds seem to be a bit better.
You feel much better.
>
Glim Faethyn stares intently at you.
>
A giant spectral hammer swings at you and smashes into you as you fail to parry!
You are dazed by the effects of Glim Faethyn's attack!
A giant spectral hammer swings at you and smashes into you as you fail to parry!
A giant spectral hammer swings at you and smashes into you as you fail to parry!
You shake off the stun.
>
A giant spectral hammer swings at you and smashes into you as you fail to parry!
A giant spectral hammer swings at you and smashes into you as you fail to parry!
heal
 
You have an injured back, a bruised abdomen, a bruised left arm, and an injured right arm.
 
You have a left cyber eye which is scuffed up and a right cyber eye which is scuffed up.
 
You are in great shape and well rested.
Your inner focus is at full strength.
 
Your piercings include:  tongue (1), lip (1), privates (1), ear (1), eyebrow (1).
 
>A giant spectral hammer swings at you and smashes into you as you fail to parry!
You are dazed by the effects of Glim Faethyn's attack!
>
A giant spectral hammer swings at you and smashes into you as you fail to parry!
The spectral hammer around you fade away.
>
You shake off the stun.
>'try psychich hammer again?
You ask, "Try psychich hammer again?"
>evade
You adjust your footing and prepare to dodge.
>
You feel much better.
>
Glim Faethyn closes his eyes and seems to be concentrating on something intently.
>
Glim Faethyn stares intently at you.
>
A giant spectral hamer swings at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
A giant spectral hamer swings at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
A giant spectral hamer swings at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
A giant spectral hamer swings at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
chuc
You chuckle.
>A giant spectral hamer swings at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
A giant spectral hamer swings at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
A giant spectral hamer swings at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
The spectral hammer around you fade away.
>'it doesn't default to evasion and you can't parry psychic hammer
You say, "It doesn't default to evasion and you can't parry psychic hammer."
>'try piercing stare
You say, "Try piercing stare."
>
Glim Faethyn closes his eyes and seems to be concentrating on something intently.
>
Glim Faethyn stares intently at you.
>
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
'see
You say, "See."
>Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Glim Faethyn nods.
Deadly skewers drive at you, but you dodge out of the way just in time!
The skewers near you suddenly dive toward the ground and disappear.
>'i always wondered why it was so easy for you to kick my ass even without paralyze
You say, "I always wondered why it was so easy for you to kick my ass even without paralyze."
>snick
You snicker.
>
Glim Faethyn grins at you.
>
Glim Faethyn closes his eyes and seems to be concentrating on something intently.
>
Your back wounds seem to be a bit better.
Your abdomen wounds seem to be a bit better.
>
Glim Faethyn stares intently at you.
>
Random debris takes to flight and careers through the air toward you but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Random debris takes to flight and careers through the air toward you but you dodge out of the way just in time!
Random debris takes to flight and careers through the air toward you but you dodge out of the way just in time!


Not sure exactly how injured Tshar was after the first two attacks numerical wise but. . .

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You have an injured head, a bruised back, a slightly scuffed abdomen, a bruised left arm, and an injured right arm.
 
You have a left cyber eye which is scuffed up and a right cyber eye which is scuffed up.


Point 1 - Two of the lowest tier spells, granted Glim is a powerful psionic but I don't think the weakest spells should be able to do so much damage for very little/no cost. Anymore damage to the head area would most likely have resulted in death. In addition to them being overly powerful for first tier spells IMO, Tshar's armor protects the best against blunt and piercing damage and a few low level spells shouldn't be able to blow him away with ease.

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This armor provides great protection against blunt damage.
This armor provides spectacular protection against piercing damage.

I know full well the subtle nature of protection I'm just showing this as added data.

Question - Do psionic attacks do their corresponding damage? I.e. piercing stare - piercing damage, psychic hammer - blunt, rime cloud - cold etc. etc.?

Point 2 - Notice how Tshar was set to parry the first wave and didn't succeed for shit yet switching to evasion provided much more favorable results. With most other attacks of that nature(attacks that cannot be parried) defense is defaulted to evasion, in this case it is not for some reason. Which makes the spells seem more powerful.
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it looks like you got hit the first two times because the first hit to land also stunned you, which isn't abnormal since stunning tends to screw over your defenses.
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it looks like you got hit the first two times because the first hit to land also stunned you, which isn't abnormal since stunning tends to screw over your defenses.


I don't think you're supposed to be able to parry these attacks at all. I think it's some kind of bug. Notice in evade mode he couldn't hit me at all but in parry mode I get owned.
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I should clarify here - PC's and NPC's use the exact same code for defending against ALL attacks, whether it's a kick, a shotgun blast, a psionic attack or a lightning bolt.
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My point with this thread mainly was that the defense for these attacks doesn't default like in most cases.

With someone firing a prjectile weapon. . .you don't try and parry it because you know that's not effective, you attempt to dodge.

In this case, it's obvious that parry doesn't work for these types of attacks yet it doesn't default to evasion.

In parry mode, those attacks owned, but in evade mode, they couldn't land at all.

I just think it should default like it does in response to other attacks.
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