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fatboy
Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 229
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: Stealth |
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sneak stair
You must climb that. |
Would it be possible for Agents to climb stairs stealthily while in town? Particularly, the stairs leading to the underground. We can sneak into CC and we can sneak around in the underground, but we can't sneak INTO the underground. _________________ You hack your way through a very young fisherman's back. It may not have been pretty, but it got the job done.
A very young fisherman groans and collapses. |
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Kit Cybertech Extraordinaire~
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 3071 Location: Currently cyberwiring your mind
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Stealth |
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fatboy wrote: |
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sneak stair
You must climb that. |
Would it be possible for Agents to climb stairs stealthily while in town? Particularly, the stairs leading to the underground. We can sneak into CC and we can sneak around in the underground, but we can't sneak INTO the underground. |
Some things I just can't see...like staying in hiding as you race across CC and down the steps. _________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" -- Adam Savage
AIM: KitMurphyHR
Email: yojibalinese@hotmail.com
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soundless EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 5970 Location: Spaceship
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Stealth |
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Kit wrote: |
Some things I just can't see...like staying in hiding as you race across CC and down the steps. |
i don't know, i'm sure if someone had stealth skill, it would be possible.
don't forget, hiding != being sneaky behind a bush. it's being unnoticed. _________________ A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death. |
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the blue fairy Grandmistress
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 1049 Location: my own hell
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Fatboy IM me at kittypesh I think I can help you out _________________ Mellie Amresh says, "Send someone with a bigger dick."
A set of breast implants fall from the sky with a soft plop.
Caretaker Jornnoj Vunn looks up at the sky.
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fatboy
Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 229
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:30 am Post subject: |
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No Kit. Agents can move about unseen with no RT. I can come out of the Underground hidden, I can move into and out of CC hidden. The problem seems to be having to type Climb to go down the stairs. The game isn't recognizing it as normal movement. But If I can go up the stairs, I should be able to go down them. _________________ You hack your way through a very young fisherman's back. It may not have been pretty, but it got the job done.
A very young fisherman groans and collapses. |
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HR-Beau The Good Fairy
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 1057 Location: Aena Sur, Isle of Esia
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. You can know CLIMB the STAIRCASE to get out of the underground. _________________ If there is one thing in the world that I know, love conquers all, it trancends time and space, defies all odds, and can bring you back from the darkness, it is the guiding light that helps bring you in from the rough stormy seas of life, and it remains even after you have gone.
~ Adam ~
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fatboy
Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 229
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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So, I guess we weren't suposed to be able to sneak up it either? _________________ You hack your way through a very young fisherman's back. It may not have been pretty, but it got the job done.
A very young fisherman groans and collapses. |
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fatboy
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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[The Llanfair Underground, Main Stairwell]
This dimly lit staircase seems to be some sort of entry and exit point for the underground. Up above you can hear the bustle of people as they go about their business at Cloud Court in the center of the city. At the foot up the steps lies a turnstile, apparently regulating access to the rest of the area.
You also see a metal turnstile and a stone staircase set into the wall.
>up
You go up.
[Llanfair, Cloud Court]
Overlooking the beautiful gardens to the east and west, this large circular balcony surrounded by short ivy-covered walls offers a magnificent view of the surrounding city. Serving as a popular purlieu on sunny afternoons and weekends, civilians gather and enjoy the refreshing treats offered at a small vending cart in the platform's center. Set into the short wall surrounding the balcony is a recessed staircase with several faintly flickering gas lamps lighting the way down. |
I can still remain hidden with my agent ability and go "Up" without climbing the stairs. What I would like to do is go "Down" and remain hidden. With our ability we can moved virtually any which way, up, down, north, south, through doors, areches, etc, but when it comes to climbing the system doesn't seem to recognize that as "normal" movement even though you actually "walk" down stairs. _________________ You hack your way through a very young fisherman's back. It may not have been pretty, but it got the job done.
A very young fisherman groans and collapses. |
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HR-Beau The Good Fairy
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 1057 Location: Aena Sur, Isle of Esia
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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I believe the "realism" intended here is that going "down" is normally used in an area that would have room for you to hide in, while climbing an object....is usually something people would notice. What are the chances you'd be able to hide while going down a narrow set of steps? _________________ If there is one thing in the world that I know, love conquers all, it trancends time and space, defies all odds, and can bring you back from the darkness, it is the guiding light that helps bring you in from the rough stormy seas of life, and it remains even after you have gone.
~ Adam ~
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fatboy
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I just didn't understand why I could go up and not down. But wahtever, you changed it. So it's no longer an issue.
As far as realism goes, it's not realistic to hide in broad daylight with people right next to you, but that happens also. _________________ You hack your way through a very young fisherman's back. It may not have been pretty, but it got the job done.
A very young fisherman groans and collapses. |
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HR-Trevor Boss Type Guy
Joined: 04 Oct 2002 Posts: 6683 Location: Louisville, KY
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Hiding, as a concept in games such as Hael, is in great part an implied or assumed thing.
For instance, one assumes you aren't literally standing next to other people when you hide in a room, often that the room is decently sized or sometimes even massive, and actually possesses adequate cover.
I can see arguments for climbing too of course. For instance, let's say you're talking about an area with a guard patrol, less than perfect lighting and some level of terrain obscurity such as wall extensions that can block view. Hiding in this instance could actually be defined as ducking under the top of terrain while still standing on a ladder, leaning into wall or pressing up against the interior of a stairwell.
Haelrahv doesn't lend itself to actually providing exceptions based on terrain and situation like this because skulking about is a feature of the game, but the game isn't oriented around it. If the game were primarily oriented around sneaking around areas undetected as a concept -- such as a game about secret agents, assassins or spies for instance, I'm sure we'd put this much detail into those systems. But as it is, these types of systems are details, not primary content / substance.
All of that said, I don't really feel intentionally blocking sneaking on climb portals is necessary, unless we feel a particular portal would be prohibitively hard to sneak through or if allowing sneaking would break some more important feature such as an entry restriction. _________________ "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." -- Plato
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soundless EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 5970 Location: Spaceship
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: |
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HR-Beau wrote: |
What are the chances you'd be able to hide while going down a narrow set of steps? |
the way i see it, stealth skill would include the knowledge of when to travel down something when noone is looking.
someone really stealthy should be a master of being able to hide out in the open. _________________ A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death. |
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the blue fairy Grandmistress
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 1049 Location: my own hell
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah!
hehe _________________ Mellie Amresh says, "Send someone with a bigger dick."
A set of breast implants fall from the sky with a soft plop.
Caretaker Jornnoj Vunn looks up at the sky.
A passing guard suddenly shits himself. |
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tygerwulf Teh Pink Assassin.
Joined: 06 Jul 2003 Posts: 1189 Location: Hiding right behind you, Don't look!
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:50 am Post subject: |
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>sneak yaru
You carefully sneak into Yaru Dex's pants. You win. _________________ >ask librarian about books
An elderly librarian says, "I don't know much about that, I'm afraid." |
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Daedalus Local Pimp
Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 380
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:00 am Post subject: |
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tygerwulf wrote: |
>sneak yaru
You carefully sneak into Yaru Dex's pants. You win. |
Looks like Michael Jackson has some competition. _________________
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